Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. 6. 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. Funny the SCCY was rated on 2 other surveys as one of the top 5 affordable and reliable pocket guns. And I especially enjoy its clever name. The Pico is top notch. To each his own . I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. the Truth about Guns is one of the most biased groups around. 6) IO Hellcat II (2.9 stars 0.6, 32 votes). I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. Sure just How many times does anyone complain about a bad trigger in a self defense situation? good amount of rounds it is a damn good carry gun. And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. I like the concept at least. No I dont own one I own two. This gun is selling better than ever years later. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. Super long heavy pull, which is understandable on a DA only no safety gun. The Manual says clearly not to dry fire the gun without snap caps. Go to the Beretta form Pico and the gun is loved by many. The list is pretty laughable, though, because drawing conclusions from such a tiny sample of unvetted ratings is deeply, deeply flawed. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. They have gotten great reviews and by the serial numbers and manufacture dates on the 2 guns, their sales have gone up 4x but the QC has suffered greatly. Great gun otherwise. Fed, fired and ejected all the ammo I put in it. All guns I would have avoided anyway, except the Pico. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. They claimed to have test fired it after repair. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns The Pico is top shelf. I have a SCCY too. How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. I understand its not for everyone but its a good quality firearm with excellent customer service. The LCP isnt that bad. Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. Man this Truth about guns article really burns me up. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). Just keep shooting your pistol. I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. It is not some junker throwaway, but a solid, well machined piece with a heavy but smooth DAO trigger which emulates a DA revolver, by design and makes the piece perhaps a bit more safely carried and handled for many that may feel uncomfortable with a light, short pull SA. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. Glad I didnt see mine. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. You also do not understand how to use the mag release or what it is intended for. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. Prohibition: Why It Wouldnt Work Any Better With Guns Than It Did With Alcohol, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations. 400 hundred rounds of various FMJ and hollow points without a single failure. Great little pistol. Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. It is my bicycle gun. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. Aside from the problems others have mentioned, the thing is slippery as hell. Also you gotta test the ammo you intend to use. Both types are not recommened by the maker for the guns. Get real. The spreadsheet seems flawed to me. One of the most MILD mannered pistols you can shoot in 380.They are Ultra reliable with all kinds of ammo. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. I tried to get Gunsgunsguns.net to pop up-no dice in 5 or 6 tries. Then Ill be unstoppable!!!!! Hey, look The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. Im generally a fan of .40, though it does have a bit of a signature snap. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. We saw your review and write up. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. Have you put more than a box through it? Now I feel like I have t fire the XDS 9MM again before I trust it, Really shook me up when I casually pressed the trigger and got a light clunk. Remarkable build quality. Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. For those of you looking specifically for a concealed carry pistol, hold off on buying a Glock just yet. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. Reliability is certainly suspect with a few of the .380's. Im not saying every single person who votes needs to leave a full, detailed review, but encouraging people to at least leave a couple pros/cons would be most helpful. 400 rounds! And the Pico will run like a sewing machine. Ruger LCP II 3. Once in a great while, a firearm becomes so popular that it becomes a cultural icon. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. IT is NOT stiff at all. The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. A lot of those people who diss these guns are those that run hollowpoints or high pressure rounds. The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. We indicate sponsored content as such. Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. Ed Brown alpha elite: 3.2. The .380 pistol which has the least recoil? Above, a Ruger, below a Browning 1911380 Without even looking at their spec sheets, we can guess that In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. My SCCY CPX-2 has been absolutely accurate with never a malfunction of any kind. Funny. Thousands of flawless rounds and handles Hot ammo better than most guns handle standard ammo. I have had my CPX 2 and have shot many hundreds of rounds through it, no jams, no misfires, not really impressed with the rear sites, so I put a laser on it and it is accurate, I like not having a safety on it, but with 9 pounds of trigger pressure you do not need a safety. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. Unfortunately, my DB380 experience has mirrored that ofmany of our peers. I appreciate the review. The Kahr is an excellent unit and I have years of experience with them over Tens of Thousands of rounds fired. Just my two. Generally the heavier it is the less recoil. But people usually get .380 to conceal them. If you just care about recoil the Berretta cheeta is a go There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. WebThe Roughneck series of derringers are similar in appearance to the well-known Bond Arms Backup models, but are more affordable. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. . This article by Alex Joseph originally appeared at Gun News Daily in 2019. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. Its manageable. The Beretta APX has a 4.4 rating from 22 votes It sucks so hard that its suckage transcends space and time. The thing stinks. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. Super gun, works every time. Did they succeed? yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. After we shot a bit we could ring that gong regularly. I really wanted to like the gun. This gun is budget-friendly and chambered substantially (9mm). Any failure rates? Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) I still have the same problem. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. Last but not least, and while this is entirely personal preference, many regard .380 autos as having poor ergonomics due to the fact that their extraordinarily small size means you cant get a full grip on them. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! No, maybe we are focusing on the self promotion IN CONJUNCTION with the very questionable methods of research and conclusions drawn from them. This guy most definitely does not have one clue about the Pico. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. The only thing about that bill is that allows those in a govt approved marksmenship program to buy them first. Got the CPX-2 for about half price new. After each guns name, youll see its average user rating, that ratings margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes). The Beretta Pico is probably one of Berettas biggest blunders. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. This is what I really hate about stories like the one posted. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? No issues to complain about. One thing that was not improved over the original LCP, however, is the sights. You have entered an incorrect email address! My shooting buddy has an LCP. So special, they ride the short bus. its a good resource with a lot of basic info on a LOT of handguns, a good start for anyone looking at a first gun, for example, or a second, for that matter. But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. I know I hated my PF9 and would NEVER EVER buy any Keltec pistol again. This is the J-Frame for the masses. No problems what so ever. Keltec P-11 listed as 10+1 on THEIR website. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. CM40 is my summe4 carry. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. What a joke. Pick up a Taurus 738 tcp and it is super snappy vs the cw380. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. Id trust actual reviewers over internet voters. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. Kim Kardashian and POTUS are best two examples of known abuse. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. Go to Genitron and compare.And very little muzzle flip. Seriously, it works if you have a fresh pair of springs in it. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. Kahr CW 380. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. I used to have one. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. Avoid Straight Blowback pistols These have a barrel permanently affixed to the frame versus the Delayed Blowback pistols, who have a barrel th You get two shots, a single-action-only Any kind of ammo. Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! I put the new glock style slide release on mine and it is a little slimmer now. To quote his expertise is laughable. Thanks for your post. I have two of the Picos. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. I broke the firing pin on the first day. My old PPK/s doesnt like Blazer alum. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. From what I understand the early ones with the safety have issues compared to the later ones without a safety. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. Given how clannish and brand-loyal a lot of gunners are, it wouldnt shock me if about half the votes against the SCCY were cast because it wasnt a Glock 43, or something equally biased and stupid. Bottom line, a lifetime warranty isnt worth squat if they cant fix the problem and their only answer is to blame the customer. In a fight you wont notice it. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. The .380 ACP is not a powerhouse, but its often enough. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. Do they now have 12 round mags? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I have a brand new Cobra that has never fired a shot ! I am surprised high point 380 & 9mm werent included in your list. I own two of them, and they have turned out to be the highest quality most reliable firearms I own. I assume the reason the CM40 sucks is similar. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. Thus it works as a safety (just like a S&W revolver). I owned a SCCY CPX-2 (notice the past tense). Horrible, awful trigger. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. ONE STAR FOR YOU! kind of reviews. (Though they have better triggers than the early LCPs, thats not enough), You should try mine. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. As a long, and I do mean long time P3AT owner, you must be one of those anti Keltec trolls that hated them from the start. Im a Glock 27 guy, so I dont mind recoil. The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. Ill take more objective reviews from knowledgeable shooters. The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. Oh, it fits my hand great too. The Pico will eat any ammo I have fed it, and has proven flawless with thousands of rounds down range. As in best gun LOL. The gun design has never worked well . How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? It shoots all varieties of .380 ammo Ive ever run through it. However it is not any where near the build quality of the Beretta Pico. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ The one I had was utter shit. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. LMFAO!!!! . 4) Beretta Pico(4.1 stars 0.3, 134 votes), Color me shockedto see the Pico down here with the bottom feeders because Beretta is a major manufacturer that produces lots of quality firearms. I doubt he even read the directions. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. Ive been averaging one light hammer strike every magazine or two, that requires a second pull of the trigger to ignite, regardless of ammo brand. 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