Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Remove with transmission attached. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. haha, no worries! JavaScript is disabled. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. Sweden for a dyno tune. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). Bolt starter to transmission later. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? You are using an out of date browser. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. Learn how your comment data is processed. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Not needed anyhow. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. How much power can you get out of the 16v? Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. . Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. It's 80%. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. It may not display this or other websites correctly. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. JavaScript is disabled. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. CLK, W209. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. Navigation Menu. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. All bolt-in, no welding required. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. You are using an out of date browser. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? Install without transmission. Navigation Menu . It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. It barely sticks now when floored. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. Learn how your comment data is processed. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Is a swap possible? 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