Clean, fresh. Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. 1. If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. I do live in a Hicktown. He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Im not surprised this thread is still going strong. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. #103. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Nose My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. So have a pint, pull, prayer, and lets party. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. What a great treat. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. Thank you everyone for the new rea, Finally home from three wonderful days in Berlin a, When life gives you fresh passionfruits. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. The situation is ridiculous. I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. Protestant - to 'protest'. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. He was anti-Republican and his family was instrumental in organising the Orange Order in Dublin! You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. Thanks, Mike. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. Produced at Cooley for Sidney Frank, it appears to have been geared mainly for the American market. I have even concocted a drink for St. Patricks day,. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Funny how these things work out, innit? Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! . This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . I took a fifth of Bushmills with me in my checked luggage. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. Still enjoy the Black Bush and the Bushmills 16yr. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. A Mac computer geek thats too young to retire and too old for male prostitution. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. wear my orange on St. Patricks Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! one night. I come from the border and powers was the biggest seller by ten to one over any other whiskey,jemmy was next ,bush mills was not even on the optics and it was all about their hiring practices of workers and not the religion of their owners, @jen The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . There is neither protestant nor catholic whiskey available. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. say more. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Although, when faced with only Jameson and Bushmills, I will usually go for the Bushmills. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? Comment I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. The Holy Roman Empire The three also exchange used casks, when need be, if they have extra. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! Thats where I paused it and jumped on to google to figure out exactly what neat meant, which lead me to this article of yours: https://jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/up-neat-straight-up-or-on-the-rocks/. Ginger cake, brazil nuts, treacle I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". Mmmm..Middleton distillery. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. Anyone try Kilbeggan Irish Whiskey? Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. The new Tullamore Dew distillery is up and running the past 2 years and back in Tullamore town. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference Turned out not to be such a controversy. Several years ago, I worked in Bulgaria and a couple of other Balkan republics; and found to my surprise that Irish Whiskey is somewhat popular there, though far outpaced by the ubiquitous Balkan hard liquors Rakija and Mastika. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. Never been a fan of the Powers. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. One further chapter in the history that really debunks this myth is that between 1972 and 2005, both Midleton (makers of Jameson) and Bushmills were owned by the same corporation, Irish Distillers. Memories. Asked the guide about it. is that a catholic thing? We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. I remember back in my younger days hearing of the Troubles and feeling for those involved and I felt mostly for the Catholics. . I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. neither, Im a Jew. Whiskey is Catholic. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Understanding the church. The truth is that great whiskey is produced in both the north and south of Ireland. They are just businesses making whiskey. nant Protestant-oriented movement. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. So bottoms up. The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. A fair amount of nonsense in some of these replies. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. Now this character I met at the bar is trying to tell me its the other way around. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. Ive never even seen a bottle of Paddys (although I havent really been making an exhaustive search). Personal life experience. I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! Get your facts right ! So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. I drink it often . The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. 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