She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. Then why did you ask me any questions? Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Heres why. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. 2 Kings 5:1-15. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. Youre more than welcome to join the study if youd like. It just says dont. Period.
Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. MATTHEW 14:16 I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. What an encouragement! Thank you, Daisy. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? How can you trust that anything else she teaches you about the Bible is accurate and true? 4. Bushnell Assembly of God Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. You are spot on. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. The riches of His word are amazing! It does NOT say, and be baptist. I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis.
- Jonah didnt smell good. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination:
Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. Priscilla Shirer is. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine.
There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst.
2 JOHN I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching.
When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. How is this different?. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that.
He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Im surprised to hear thats her position. Be a Christian Who Cares Josh 9:1. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered.
If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ.
August 11, 2002 AM I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Wow! or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. She does. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. read more, Scripture:
Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. Isaiah 58:12. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?)
Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. No-one is beyond compassion.
There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). This is not a new idea. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before
Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)?
Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! They are busy caring for their churches. I dont follow TGC any more. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? Do you have any other examples? Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Silly me! Here they are promoting silence. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) God knew what He was doing. read more, Scripture:
You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination:
I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help you better understand Gods role for women in the church. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination:
I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. Here are my 2.1. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Dear Michelle, For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts One thats not a promotional tape? Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html).
Jude 18-19. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. Moving Beyond the Motions Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. First,this is a sin. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 2. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. The misunderstanding, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too dont have time. 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